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Craig's Bond's schooling is touched upon in Casino Royale, the first scene with Vesper. That he went to some such school is acknowledged, with the added twist that it was due to someone's kindness. It's true though that Craig's Bond is a swing of the pendulum away from the overt class of the movies, past the book Bond, and over to the other side.
< Talk:Casino Royale (2006 film)
Preceded By/Bond Template
To be fair this, film is not truly preceded by Die Another Day, rather it is a restart of the franchise. I also think that on the James Bond Films Template at the bottom of the page, Casino Royale should be put in a different section... 05:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
No, because regardless of what happens within the story itself 'Casino Royale' is considered 'Bond 21' by EON. GuruAskew 06:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Rating
I removed a new trivia item that stated (without source) that Campbell is going for a PG rating for this film. I find this dubious at best, particularly after seeing the teaser trailer. There are all sorts of rumors going around, including the possibility (probably is my guess) that it will be the first R-rated Bond film. It's possible, however, that there's a media story out there saying otherwise, so if that's the case, please include a source if you put it back (remember, however, how many erroneous news stories were published regarding who was going to play Bond - I'd take all such reports with a grain of salt until EON confirms them). Incidentally the count of how many PG13 Bonds there were was off - the number should be 5 not 4 as Licence to Kill also received PG13. 23skidoo 13:49, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Merge suggestion
This should me merged with the article for the movie, just like the other novels which inspired James Bond films. It could look like this:
Watch Casino Royale
Administrator 23skidoo has removed the complete cutting-and-pasting of an article from Talk Page space as inappropriate for a Talk page. At the present time the example referred to by User:Esaborio is located at Talk:Casino Royale for a temporary time.
The references would have to be fixed, of course. What do you think?
Esaborio 06:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
No merge
As I indicated at Talk:Casino Royale a merge would make the article too long and complex and would have to also include Casino Royale (1967 film). While there are other Bond film/book articles, this is a special case and has to be kept separate, especially since details regarding the 2006 film are still in flux. Apologies for removing your example from this page but it was rendering this page too long and it is inappropriate to basically post an entire page in talk page space. I suggest creating a Temp page and moving the example at Talk:Casino Royale there. 23skidoo 14:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Theme song performer
Just so we're clear, just because some band claims during a show that they're doing the theme song, or a tabloid reports that So-and-So Group is doing the theme, doesn't make it true. The only source that will be accepted is an official announcement from EON Productions or the studio. Everything else is heresay. Remember all the newspapers that reported that Thandie Newton had been signed to play Vesper? They were wrong because the official announcement ended up being someone else. The m16.co.uk site is citing unnamed sources that Goldfrapp has been signed, as is the Daily Mirror or Daily Record (I forget which), but none of these sources has a particularly good track record regarding this film. 23skidoo 19:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Why did they hir Judi Dench agian?
I understand the whole continuity stuff in James Bod films, which hasn't been sacred. But they should have hired a new M for this film. Judi Dench is awesome as M, don't get me wrong. But how will they explain that Dench was the first M that hired Bond and yet in GoldenEye she is taking over another M and giving Bond his first mission under her. I think this is just too much. A film that is introducing a new Bond shouldn't take so much risks. I really hope Craig puts on a great performance, I am really rooting for him. Because if this film suxs, it's the end of the franchise. <<Coburn_Pharr>> 04:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
There is a greater continuity problem,(as M could be poorly explained away as a different character) According to the artical Bond uses the Waltha p99. This was not developed till 1996. As many of the earlyer films rely on the cold war,(1945-1990) he cannot have this gun in a prequal.Damikye
race-obsession on wikipedia
'To a lesser extent, many other factors increased confusion in the media. Since Bond's film debut in 1962, James Bond had been portrayed as a Caucasian British male. With this search, however, there essentially wasn't any criteria as far as the media was concerned. Most notably, Colin Salmon, a black actor best known for playing Charles Robinson in three previous James Bond films was considered to be in the running and was actually endorsed by Pierce Brosnan [3]. Another actor, Goran Višnjić of ER fame, was claimed to be in 'the final four', although Višnjić was Croatian by birth.'
that must be one of the worst paragraphs i've ever seen on wikipedia. why are wikiwriters obsessed with race? it's symptomatic of the larger american pathological obsession. those remarks about salmon are utterly childish and foolish.
why should 'the media' have had established 'criteria' for ruling out actors from the rumours they would entertain? based on-- racial?!-- phenotype?
the only reasonable criteria i could imagine were that the actor was somewhat handsome and physically fit. the previous bond actors also have had different actual national origins: being croatian doesn't matter, unless maybe the guy can't do a british accent or something, just as being scottish/australian/english/welsh/irish didn't matter at all for all the previous castings of bond. aside from national origin they've also had different faces and bodies: that didn't stop the studio from hiring someone without sean connery's face when he retired.
felix leiter was a white guy a bunch of times, then a black guy in Never Say Never again. big deal.
moneypenny's hair-color and skin texture changed with the different actresses too. is that significant?
in a word: no.
brosnan even endorsed salmon-- with a citation given, notably-- so why on earth would anyone expect the media to somehow ignore him in the running? THE LAST BOND ENDORSED SOMEBODY. --that counts as a more substantial rumour than the bunch of nobodies in the long-list who happen to be white.
race-obsessed wiki-writers need to wake up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.119.236.226 (talk • contribs) .
Set destroyed by fire
'Fire wrecks James Bond film stage'. violet/riga(t) 13:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
This is not a forum for debating Craig
As one of the editors whose posting was deleted by K1Bond007 on the grounds that this is not a forum -- I agree and support this. Debates over things such as 'is Daniel Craig any good' have no place in Wikipedia. 23skidoo 20:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Craignotbond, etc.
What purpose do references to these sites serve outside of free advertising for those sites? People set up hate sites for Craig as they no doubt did Brosnan. I fail to see what makes them so important as to be mentioned in an encyclopedia (especially since craignotbond was little more than a repository for editorials that leave logic at the door, photoshopped images, and the occasional ironic homophobic comment). Same for the pro-Craig sites.24.228.54.78 22:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps the fact that there is a fan-base that disagrees with the casting of him. It also doesn't do much harm to promote defunct websites. It shows that they lost. It is very difficult to keep an article on a movie that has yet to finish production to encyclopedic standards. this is more of a reposatory for rumors, but so is every article on 'coming soon's. --Graveenib 00:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
This is hardly promotion or unencyclopedic for this article. It was pretty significant. Craignotbond, whether you like them or not (I didn't), was notable. It was picked up in the news and publicized like crazy. You can't just throw that out and call it unencyclopedic because you didn't agree with them or because their rationale was illogical. K1Bond007 03:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
On a related note, I added the word 'alleged' to the accusations against the site. It's one of those necessary weasel words journalists are trained to use when reporting accusations. 23skidoo 20:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Now that CNB is back, under a different name and address (won't say where, as it's added advertising for them), should we edit the page to mention this, or just ignore them like they deserve? a Bond fan 18.28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Budget
According to Empire magazine and IMDb, the budget is $72 million. Could the $140 million sum come from marketing? Wiki-newbie 18:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Odd, Casino Royale is more of a thriller though: the only 'actiony' stuff I expect is Madagascar and a possible car chase during the adaptation proper. Wiki-newbie 19:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I looked at the reference and Wilson merely says north of $100 million. Could it be the $72 million comes from currency, considering Bond's UK/US status? Wiki-newbie 19:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Deletion of allegation
I have reverted an addition that states, without direct source cited, that a prior relationship was the reason Craig was cast as Bond. Never mind the source, this statement is a violation of the newly-establish WP:BLP policy and as such had to be removed immediately. Please note that under WP:BLP the Three Revert Rule does not apply to this situation. If a reputable media source quoting either Broccolli, Craig or another recognize source is cited, then this can remain, but in the meantime it has to go. 23skidoo 01:32, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Alleged theme song links
I agree with the recent edit that removed the links to the alleged 'leaked' versions of the new theme song. Until EON Productions makes an official announcement, all such 'leaks' are either preliminary recordings and as such may be changed considerably before the film is released, or possibly even just made up. In any event, such links would be considered copyvios anyway. As with everything else with this film, let's not be so quick to be the first on our block to say 'here's the theme song' or whatever .. Casino west public school principal jobs. the movie will be released soon enough, and presumably the theme song will have an official, legal release at some point prior just like Die Another Day did. 23skidoo 13:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
References
I just turned all the [] references into <> ones. Please continue to make into {{}}s too. Wiki-newbie 17:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Too Long
I thought to my self, this page is far too long for a film that hasn't even been released????
It should be cut down or sumarised. (possibly split but i dont think that would be good).
If you look at Spider-Man 3, it has been shortened because it used to be big. SpecialWindler 23:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Reducing the controversy section
After seeing one too many POV, unsourced statements regarding the Daniel Craig situation, I have taken an axe to most of the controversy section. There is no need to go into finite detail about every little complaint people may or may not have -- most of which was unsourced anyway. Suffice to say he was cast, some people didn't like him, a website was created regarding this. It is not necessary to say how many signatures were on a petition, or to make statements of rebuttal. IF and only IF this has any long-term impact on the film's reception, then we can revisit whether the boycott/anti-Craig movement had any bearing. In the meantime, unless someone can add information using reputable media sources, remember WP:BLP and leave the POV at home. 23skidoo 14:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Daniel Craig as Bond
There's lots of talk about Daniel Craig playing bond, but the page itself doesn't actually mention the fact that he is apparently actually it. The page says he's in the running, and I believe he isn't even in bold. Is there really a need now for a section regarding 'who the next Bond might be,' when the next Bond is already chosen? (you'll note the cover of the movie says Daniel Craig will be playing Bond. And Daniel Craig's page says he's playing Bond.) Perhaps change it to a section on who the runners up were..
Funny, everything on this article shows Craig is Bond. Wiki-newbie 16:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
First reviews of Craig from UK Press
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6116286.stmPlenty of citable sources in here - X201 13:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Casino Royale film tie-in edition
Although the article mentions a film tie-in edition of the novel, what we got on Oct. 31 was a republication of the Penguin Books reprint from a few years ago, except shrunk down to more traditional paperback size. It didn't look like a film tie-in to me. Is there in fact a separate edition with a film-related cover? 23skidoo 02:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)-
Yes, in the UK - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Casino-Royale-Ian-Fleming/dp/0141028696/sr=1-3/qid=1162908821/ref=sr_1_3/203-8160568-1206348?ie=UTF8&s=books - (http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/0141028696.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V39612296_.jpg) fanofBond 14:16, 7 November 2006 (BMT)
Series continuity
In almost all of the films series continuity doesn't come in to it. Is such a large section in the development heading really need to go on about series continuity. For most bond films the only thing that has stayed the same is some of the names. The james bond franchise isnt so much a bunch of sequels, but a lot of individual films. So when they say 'back to his roots' they don't really mean that this film is a prequel to the rest, as the others werent sequels to begin with. I think the development bit needs to be cut down and not be based upon this film being a prequel, and not constantly mention all the changes from the last film (in regards to the plot) although, of course, the changes from the last film in the physical changes (Bond = Craig, No Q etc) should be there instead. Chris_huhtalk 23:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
The statement in the article that this is a 'modern day prequel to a series that began in 1962' is, I would suggest, incorrect. This is not a prequel to anything; it is a reboot. Therefore it discards the continuity established in all of the earlier films. It is factually correct that this is the 21st James Bond film made by EON productions, but the events in this film are not intended to precede Dr.No or any other Bond film. This establishes a new timeline and narrative framework; ergo it cannot be a prequel. I have altered the article accordingly - Any thoughts? Nsign 09:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Call For Updates
The film has just been released yesterday and, understandably, most articles referencing it (including this one) still treat the film as unreleased. I'm not complaining here, though, just requesting that anyone else who has seen the film or knows something about do a little udating here and there. I started today and cleaned up the plot section a little, having seen the movie last night. Anyway, I think it's a great article, Casino is a great movie and Craig a great Bond :)
Jedd the Jedi 03:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC) Novel Refs
Why remove them completely from the article rather than put the section in Development? Desk Jockey 16:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Cast List
Just wondering what the general consensus is. Should we follow the brief biographies as used by WikiNewbie that cover only a handful of the cast, or is the form of the cast list of the principal cast (as used in articles for the previous 20 Bond movies) preferable? I second the lattter. MrMagoo 05:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the character descriptions is more preferred amongst WP editors. Boxes are more for before the film is out. Wiki-newbie 12:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Errors in the film
Bond should not have one the poker tournament like he did. During the final hand Mathis states that Le Chiffre had more money than Bond. Le Chiffre proceeds to go in after two other players do and to call Bond must go all in which he does. Therefore when Bond wins the hand Le Chiffre should still have some money left over. However, in the film he does not and the poker game ends.169.232.127.29 15:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)Helpful Movie Watcher
The 1st poster is correct: the film generally portrays poker reasonably realistically, with this exception. Le Chiffre has more chips than anyone else - he is only all-in to the extent that the next man can match him, and so would have been left with some chips after this hand.
Q
the article mentions it's the second film without Q, but didn't Dr. No not have Q in it as well?
Moneypenny Reference
Under the Self-reference and spoof section there is the following;
'Vesper Lynd's first line is 'I'm the money', to which James Bond responds 'Every penny of it'; this is a reference to Miss Moneypenny who is noticeably absent from the movie. ' Is there a source for this, or is it speculation? - OPaul 04:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
It also sounds like a stretch to me, but is worth noting. Since there is no pure reference to cite, why not simply change the entry to read '..this is POSSIBLY a reference to..'
This section is a mess of speculation by Wikipedians. It should mostly be removed. Beluga Caviar (Bond orders this a number of times prior to TWINE), Moneypenny (speculative & argumentative), deck of cards (contradiction), the rolex (he's worn Omega for the past number of films, how is this worthy of a mention?) -- All of this should be gone. K1Bond007 21:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Bond products section
This section reads way too much like product placement. Do we really need to know the make of sunglasses etc? Monique34 12:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I took the part about the 'james bond theory' out because theres no need for it, and it is wrong because in the james bond books hes one person, just because theres different actors playing him doesnt mean hes a different person, and if anything a mI6 agency would want to change his name often, not keep it the same
Plot Hole
Could someone please explain how Bond came to the conclusion that Vesper was in danger when she went out to see Mathis (just after the poker game)? I can't see any apparent explanation for it in the film, so this might count as a plot hole. If so, perhaps this should be added into the body of the text? StephenBuxton 16:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
My take is that the way Chiffre openly taunted Bond about the misdirection concerning his 'tell' was the director's way of letting us know (and allowing Bond to figure out) that Chiffre was tipped off. This didn't occur to Bond until the moment Vesper was called away (supposedly by Mathis). Since Bond only mentioned the 'tell' to Vesper and Mathis, and since he was in love with Vesper, he presumed it was Mathis who tipped off Le Chiffre, meaning Vesper could be in danger if was Mathis was asking her to come to him.
It might have added to James suspicion that Mathis on the balcony, watching the police arresting the man with two dead bodies in the trunk, asks if the girl has melted James cold heart yet and still later on Mathis interupts their celebration date without any reason that upsets Vesper. Taking a sip, feeling the bitter aftertaste, hearing the breaks outside making him alert, it suddenly occurs to him, erroneously, why Le Chiffre could bluff him. Jaderberg 00:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Water scene at the end?Casino Royale Plot Holes List
I'm a little confused by Vesper's water death in Venice. The elevator with Vesper in it appears to be chained shut, suggesting that the bad guys had locked her in there. But then she locks it from the inside and throws away the key, obviously committing suicide. Am I mistaken that the elevator doors are chained? If so, what is the point of the key, since she's already locked in there anyway? Marc Shepherd 18:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm also confused. What is Vesper's motivation to commit suicide? As best I can reconstruct it, she thinks James has prevented/will prevent the bad guys from getting the money, she thinks surviving bad guys will kill her boyfriend as a result, and she knows her story with James is blown, so she has no way to help her boyfriend further.. and presumably she doesn't want to live sans boyfriend. The part that seems weak to me is that, in the midst of all that chaos, she's so certain the bad guys won't get the money that she becomes certain her boyfriend is dead. At the very least, she simply guessed wrong, which is a fairly lame way out for an otherwise strong-ish character. Iain McClatchie 09:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Discrepancy in Wikipedia Article
In the section 'Development', it goes into great detail about how Q is not in the film. This contradicts the Cast listing which has Peter Notley as Q. Something needs correcting.. StephenBuxton 07:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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How to get pocket slot maplestory. Should we note that even though Happy Feet beat Casino Royale, CR actually made more money per theater than Happy Feet, while was in 400 less theaters than Happy Feet?
The second thing was about 'Q'. Did the credits actually list that guy as Q, or are we just assuming that because he implants Bond with a tracking device. I don't recall 'M' actually referring to him as Q, and the guy never spoke so I know he didn't call himself that. I didn't stay for the credits so I wasn't sure if they actually listed him as 'Q'. Bignole 15:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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